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Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,470 Points:1,048,855 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 12:02:53 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse bruceha2000 -- your raise some very interesting points regarding the comparison between the Prius and the Jetta TDI...thanks As far as the comparison between the hybrid Prius and the diesel Jetta TDI, I'd prefer the Prius, especially if it were more affordable.
bruceha2000 Champion Author Vermont Posts:2,126 Points:980,630 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 7:53:38 AM Ignore bruceha2000 Report Abuse Seemed a fairly well balanced article. But the author makes the same mistake I have seen many times before: The traction battery in the Prius is not UNDER the rear seat, it is BEHIND the rear seat cushion. The comparison he FAILS to mention is reliability. The Prius receives a reliability rating of 10 out of 10 from US News and World Report. The 2009 Jetta TDI managed a FEEBLE 5 out of 10. That is a big lean toward one car over the other when they are otherwise fairly equal, including price, based on their specific strengths. The only other point I would argue (never having driven a Jetta TDI) is this comment related to the Prius: "You will need to renounce some of this exceptional thrift on fossil fuels to keep up in normal traffic sprints". Why? I see no reason to race from red light to red light. That doesn't mean crawling off the line though. Indeed, somewhat 'brisk' acceleration gets you up to speed where you can run a steady speed in electric (assuming the battery charge is not low). You would use MORE gas accelerating to 35 slowly. 0-35 MPH in ~8 seconds is a pretty common acceleration rate from a red light in traffic. NO car has a problem doing this. I am, BTW, sitting at just over 62 MPG and 120 miles on the current tank ('04 Prius). My commute comprises everything from 25 to 45 MPH and a 2 mile hop on the interstate. Plenty of stop signs and signals to boot. I think I'll skip the Jetta TDI.
armstrmb Champion Author Houston Posts:8,007 Points:1,622,155 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:40:10 AM Ignore armstrmb Report Abuse Hybrid vs. diesel Glitzy vs. practical Dreams vs. reality Hard decision.
vandamme Champion Author New York Posts:1,018 Points:117,800 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:31:21 AM Ignore vandamme Report Abuse The hybrid makes more sense in city traffic. My driving is rural where the diesel is more cost effective. We need to have parity in fuel taxes and allow diesel particulate emissions. It would have a big impact on fuel consumption, and diesel can be made from different renewable feedstocks. Diesel hybrid would be the best of both worlds.
dan30thz28 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,680 Points:1,535,970 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:11:37 AM Ignore dan30thz28 Report Abuse Diesel hybrid is the way to go.
ByGuy Champion Author Dallas Posts:5,644 Points:1,267,355 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:07:58 AM Ignore ByGuy Report Abuse Diesel has improved greatly since the early days.
Foxychic Sophomore Author Miami Posts:204 Points:65,190 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:06:16 AM Ignore Foxychic Report Abuse I'm not interested in neither hybrid or diesel.
racerdj Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:7,470 Points:1,589,560 Joined:Jun 2003	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:04:44 AM Ignore racerdj Report Abuse I'm parcial to the hybrid.
MUSTANGSRUS Champion Author Ontario Posts:7,373 Points:1,506,045 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:04:40 AM Ignore MUSTANGSRUS Report Abuse Rather have the VW. And why not a diesel hybrid?
nerde Champion Author Florida Posts:3,885 Points:855,575 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:04:14 AM Ignore nerde Report Abuse I'll take hybrid, less dependent on big oil
pulpwood Champion Author Mississippi Posts:5,631 Points:1,498,750 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:04:11 AM Ignore pulpwood Report Abuse Go for both.
jony Champion Author Florida Posts:5,224 Points:1,244,125 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:04:07 AM Ignore jony Report Abuse so many decisions to make , oh well, can't afford any of them so I don't need to be concerned
GAC1Shirt Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,141 Points:639,115 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:04:03 AM Ignore GAC1Shirt Report Abuse Diesel has stones, why not make a Jetta TDI with a hybrid system?
fire@53 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:9,597 Points:2,327,425 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:04:01 AM Ignore fire@53 Report Abuse Been looking at the TDI. But most dealers make you pay sticker price. I just may keep my 83 Suburban diesel. At least it is paid for. 28K will buy a lot of fuel for the suburban.
Patch44 Champion Author Buffalo Posts:5,603 Points:1,356,035 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:03:31 AM Ignore Patch44 Report Abuse Not ready for either one at this point.
DrZNY Champion Author Albany Posts:1,227 Points:587,635 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:03:12 AM Ignore DrZNY Report Abuse Hybrid wins, because it is cleaner and greener than diesel!
Cruiser340 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:10,297 Points:2,326,215 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:02:36 AM Ignore Cruiser340 Report Abuse how about making a Diesel hybrid that even looks good.
dondee118 Champion Author Kansas City Posts:6,635 Points:1,248,870 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 6:01:47 AM Ignore dondee118 Report Abuse I agree with Salty Dog.
SaltyDogMA Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,270 Points:667,565 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:59:44 AM Ignore SaltyDogMA Report Abuse Why "vs"? What we need is a diesel hybrid.
Buffalo Joe Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,443 Points:2,073,175 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:57:30 AM Ignore Buffalo Joe Report Abuse Are they North American built?
SpruceGuse2 Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,437 Points:1,998,630 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:57:30 AM Ignore SpruceGuse2 Report Abuse I wouldn't trade my hybrid for a diesel for any amount of money. It's the best improvement for automobiles in the past 60 years-Automatic transmission was the last great improvement.
JimTee Champion Author Tampa Posts:2,322 Points:1,189,725 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:57:19 AM Ignore JimTee Report Abuse Why not a hybrid diesel?
braves89 Champion Author Chicago Posts:5,320 Points:1,164,895 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:57:00 AM Ignore braves89 Report Abuse these are options now but we need reneable energy vehicles for the future so we can stop relying on alll the foreign oil!
2granny Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,145 Points:998,425 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:53:25 AM Ignore 2granny Report Abuse Interesting at what price?
jimbo1867 Champion Author Arizona Posts:3,011 Points:1,587,550 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:52:24 AM Ignore jimbo1867 Report Abuse I'll take the VW anyday
torn8owx Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:2,313 Points:577,515 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:51:51 AM Ignore torn8owx Report Abuse If you can find diesel cheap enough to overcome the upfront cost differential it could pay, especially since diesels generally have a longer life
arinkrat17 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,999 Points:866,995 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:49:11 AM Ignore arinkrat17 Report Abuse diesel because more power
df99 Veteran Author Rhode Island Posts:492 Points:664,130 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:47:10 AM Ignore df99 Report Abuse I'll take the diesel every time. Its actually FUN to drive to go along with its fuel sipping. My overall average for all driving is 47.3 mpg over the first 28k miles.
bgunner01 Champion Author Nebraska Posts:10,445 Points:2,056,715 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:46:45 AM Ignore bgunner01 Report Abuse I just don't understand some people's love affair diesels. I was talking with a friend this morning who used to own an F-250 with a diesel (now he owns a V-10 gas burner). He said the diesel took 15 quarts of oil for each oil change and cost well over $100 each time. He said his engine had three separate fuel filters that were also quite expensive to change. Diesel fuel, in my part of the country at least, is the most expensive of all fuels. Ownership/Maintenance costs plus noise and smoke/oder belching takes diesels out of practical ownership consideration for most folks.
Ltdc Champion Author Long Island Posts:4,903 Points:1,222,465 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:45:26 AM Ignore Ltdc Report Abuse They hybrid represents more the future. At least it would seem.
Radon Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,503 Points:1,583,065 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:45:16 AM Ignore Radon Report Abuse ok
JCUBE Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,140 Points:1,453,800 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:44:50 AM Ignore JCUBE Report Abuse Who cares, another group of tree huggers promoting their wares.
Zuman Champion Author New York Posts:3,883 Points:1,441,655 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:44:12 AM Ignore Zuman Report Abuse What about price ?????????????????????
dhawk24 Champion Author Maine Posts:5,535 Points:1,148,760 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:43:30 AM Ignore dhawk24 Report Abuse Neither one for me.
FocusGuy Champion Author Seattle Posts:4,894 Points:965,825 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:40:08 AM Ignore FocusGuy Report Abuse nat gas please??????????????????
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:3,843 Points:654,230 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:39:00 AM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse Diesel is a choice ... and a good one, but not the only one...... bring them all to market... NOW and in as cost-efficient manner as possible....
OilerFan Champion Author Tulsa Posts:11,796 Points:2,119,145 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:37:50 AM Ignore OilerFan Report Abuse I haven't noticed the TDIs having trouble "belching smoke". These cars burn pretty clean, in my opinion.
DJRIO Champion Author Miami Posts:5,474 Points:959,285 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:37:43 AM Ignore DJRIO Report Abuse as long as MPG is hi in number figure that is all that matter.
FuelBarge Champion Author Long Island Posts:6,796 Points:1,608,315 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:35:17 AM Ignore FuelBarge Report Abuse IMHO, Diesel based cars should be reserved only to those owners who agree to maintain them, and perhaps even sign an agreement to that effect. Otherwise, you wind up with a smoke belcher that winds up sending smoke signals everywhere it goes. I always get a kick out of seeing all the soot around a Diesel vehicle where the exhaust pipe exits. The sad thing is, my cabin air cleaners only last about a year as they turn from white to dark gray from all that soot.
rocket_ron Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:3,913 Points:1,527,945 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:35:08 AM Ignore rocket_ron Report Abuse Valricoslash, the reason auto companies are not working on diesel-hybrids is the cost. Are you going to pay a $5000 premium for the hybrid and another $2000 for the diesel? That being said, Citroen is working on one, but not for us.
THEDodgeman Champion Author Denver Posts:5,626 Points:1,479,580 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:34:05 AM Ignore THEDodgeman Report Abuse keep your planet killing batteries....And I'll keep my three diesels....Thank youi
Skipper52 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:5,054 Points:1,130,250 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:33:58 AM Ignore Skipper52 Report Abuse We need to turn or trash into fuel. We are the largest producers of trash so it's a perfect fix.
Cachase1 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,072 Points:1,912,130 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:33:45 AM Ignore Cachase1 Report Abuse I won't buy a Volkswagen until they stop building them in Mexico and solve their quality problems.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:11,144 Points:1,652,980 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:32:49 AM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse diesel engines were designed to be efficient since the very beginning. biodiesel can be made from waste products.
LocalSpyGuy Champion Author Tampa Posts:5,474 Points:1,119,245 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:31:13 AM Ignore LocalSpyGuy Report Abuse Sounds like a win-win situation.
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:25,587 Points:2,326,965 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:26:08 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse I agree with you Asbury.
Asbury09 Champion Author Iowa Posts:4,968 Points:1,069,655 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:24:21 AM Ignore Asbury09 Report Abuse burn fast food oil and really save money while improving the environment
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:4,788 Points:732,635 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:23:25 AM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse I agree with Valricoslash
ChuckGVT Champion Author Vermont Posts:4,363 Points:1,226,695 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:23:12 AM Ignore ChuckGVT Report Abuse Lower the price on both of these vehicles and they will sell better.
Valricoslash Champion Author Tampa Posts:4,285 Points:885,395 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 3, 2010 5:20:23 AM Ignore Valricoslash Report Abuse Take the diesel engine and combine it with an electric motor in a diesel hybred version of the Frod fusion, or Camry and get the ultimate mileage. What the heck are we waiting for?